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AW: AW: [swinog] future of dsl
by Glogger Steven 22 Jul '05

22 Jul '05

hi olivier > Idea: Let's say I have a "standard" (600/100) flatrate adsl > account from ISP A at home, and the Sunrise 150 flex > somewhere else (holiday house, chalet, grandparents, etc.). > Will it still work if I just configure the sunrise adsl line > with the login/pw information of ISP A ? (assuming I turn > off the router at home). i suppose swisscom will change that in the near future. so, don't do such a thing ,-) > I guess it would work (but of course still at 150/50), but > what about the 20MB limitation? Who is doing the accounting work: > Swisscom or Sunrise, or both? swisscom does some per-ISP accounting - because they deliver the whole traffic to $ISP. and sunrise has also to do per-user accounting, to send the bill... -steven

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RE: [swinog] future of dsl
by Kuster, Christian 22 Jul '05

22 Jul '05

Another argument not to use windoze... Christian -----Original Message----- From: swinog-bounces(a)lists.swinog.ch [mailto:swinog-bounces@lists.swinog.ch]On Behalf Of mark walliser Sent: Freitag, 22. Juli 2005 09:23 To: swinog(a)swinog.ch Subject: Re: [swinog] future of dsl ...so, what will be the price of all these nice "automatic updates": - the next servicepack - the security patches - the update of the virusscanner - the update of the anti-spyware . . . please don't arguement: turn it off... because "automatic" is recommended - and the targetpeople you named, they definitely choose the recommended value... limit @ 20MB is way to low... ...i for one would never choose "non-flatrate", but that's a different story... just my 0.02$ cheers, mark walliser ----- Original Message ----- From: "Manuel Wenger" <manuel.wenger(a)ticinocom.com> To: <swinog(a)swinog.ch> Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 8:01 AM Subject: R: [swinog] future of dsl Hello, > That Sunrise offer is just a "Bauernfänger": 20 MB are exhausted > in a few days by requesting the "Tagi"'s (or Blick ..) homepage > and receiving some Emails - including "God morning" stuff and SPAM. > In fact, with this offer they may still reach the 40 CHF ;-) What you say is true. But that's not what this new ADSL product's target customers do with Internet. I think more of people like "my mother" (tm) who turn on the 'puter once a week to receive *one* email from her friend and then once a month to do their telebanking stuff. People like this actually exist, and that's a good product for them. They will never reach the 49.-/month that a 600/100 costs. That's why we are also offering this product :-) -Manuel _______________________________________________ swinog mailing list swinog(a)lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog _______________________________________________ swinog mailing list swinog(a)lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog

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R: [swinog] future of dsl
by Manuel Wenger 22 Jul '05

22 Jul '05

I don't think it's stupid. With a 56k modem you don't have any MB included at all, and you pay for traffic. Yes, you also pay when you install Windows Updates, McAfee updates or whatever. But if I were a "non-techie", I'd still prefer ADSL 150/50 instead of a 56k modem - because it's faster! *duh* At the end, you pay almost the same per hour like with a 56k modem (maybe something less) and you're faster. Again, this product wasn't thought for technical people, but for dial-up users who would like to get rid of the old, slow, noisy modem (yes, you can turn off the speaker, I know :-)) and maybe allow the husband to place a phone call while the wife plays Swiss Lotto, without needing ISDN. Is this so difficult? /methings ADSL Light was a great idea by Swisscom. Why does everything need to do Swisscom-bashing as a principle? Regards Manuel -----Messaggio originale----- Da: swinog-bounces(a)lists.swinog.ch [mailto:swinog-bounces@lists.swinog.ch] Per conto di Alain Stucki Inviato: venerdì, 22. luglio 2005 10:02 A: swinog(a)swinog.ch Oggetto: AW: [swinog] future of dsl That's exact my position. 20MB/month.. This is really stupid.. 20MB exhausted in a few days by reading your daily spam, some other mails with attached files and so on.. I think no one need ADSL with 20MB traffic limit, the good, old 56k modem is a much better solution for these "Gelegenheits-surfer" No basic free, no traffic limit.. You pay exactly what you get.. Greetz Alain

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AW: [swinog] future of dsl
by Alain Stucki 22 Jul '05

22 Jul '05

That's exact my position. 20MB/month.. This is really stupid.. 20MB exhausted in a few days by reading your daily spam, some other mails with attached files and so on.. I think no one need ADSL with 20MB traffic limit, the good, old 56k modem is a much better solution for these "Gelegenheits-surfer" No basic free, no traffic limit.. You pay exactly what you get.. Greetz Alain -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: swinog-bounces(a)lists.swinog.ch [mailto:swinog-bounces@lists.swinog.ch] Im Auftrag von mark walliser Gesendet: Freitag, 22. Juli 2005 09:55 An: swinog(a)swinog.ch Betreff: Re: [swinog] future of dsl please stick to the real world... ...and think again about the "targetpeople"... in addidtion on the other hand: i really cannot think of someone using a "penguin-os" (or whatever) and downloading less than 20MB/month... why the hell can one always make a linux** vs. windows-topic out of everything?! :-/ greetz, mark ** > or freebsd, beos, osx, solaris or anything else... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kuster, Christian" <Christian.Kuster(a)sunrise.net> To: <swinog(a)swinog.ch> Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 9:37 AM Subject: RE: [swinog] future of dsl Another argument not to use windoze... Christian -----Original Message----- From: swinog-bounces(a)lists.swinog.ch [mailto:swinog-bounces@lists.swinog.ch]On Behalf Of mark walliser Sent: Freitag, 22. Juli 2005 09:23 To: swinog(a)swinog.ch Subject: Re: [swinog] future of dsl ...so, what will be the price of all these nice "automatic updates": - the next servicepack - the security patches - the update of the virusscanner - the update of the anti-spyware . . . please don't arguement: turn it off... because "automatic" is recommended - and the targetpeople you named, they definitely choose the recommended value... limit @ 20MB is way to low... ...i for one would never choose "non-flatrate", but that's a different story... just my 0.02$ cheers, mark walliser ----- Original Message ----- From: "Manuel Wenger" <manuel.wenger(a)ticinocom.com> To: <swinog(a)swinog.ch> Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 8:01 AM Subject: R: [swinog] future of dsl Hello, > That Sunrise offer is just a "Bauernfänger": 20 MB are exhausted > in a few days by requesting the "Tagi"'s (or Blick ..) homepage > and receiving some Emails - including "God morning" stuff and SPAM. > In fact, with this offer they may still reach the 40 CHF ;-) What you say is true. But that's not what this new ADSL product's target customers do with Internet. I think more of people like "my mother" (tm) who turn on the 'puter once a week to receive *one* email from her friend and then once a month to do their telebanking stuff. People like this actually exist, and that's a good product for them. They will never reach the 49.-/month that a 600/100 costs. That's why we are also offering this product :-) -Manuel _______________________________________________ swinog mailing list swinog(a)lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog _______________________________________________ swinog mailing list swinog(a)lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog _______________________________________________ swinog mailing list swinog(a)lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog _______________________________________________ swinog mailing list swinog(a)lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog

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RE: [swinog] future of dsl
by Kuster, Christian 22 Jul '05

22 Jul '05

For fun :-) -----Original Message----- From: swinog-bounces(a)lists.swinog.ch [mailto:swinog-bounces@lists.swinog.ch]On Behalf Of mark walliser Sent: Freitag, 22. Juli 2005 09:55 To: swinog(a)swinog.ch Subject: Re: [swinog] future of dsl please stick to the real world... ...and think again about the "targetpeople"... in addidtion on the other hand: i really cannot think of someone using a "penguin-os" (or whatever) and downloading less than 20MB/month... why the hell can one always make a linux** vs. windows-topic out of everything?! :-/ greetz, mark ** > or freebsd, beos, osx, solaris or anything else... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kuster, Christian" <Christian.Kuster(a)sunrise.net> To: <swinog(a)swinog.ch> Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 9:37 AM Subject: RE: [swinog] future of dsl Another argument not to use windoze... Christian -----Original Message----- From: swinog-bounces(a)lists.swinog.ch [mailto:swinog-bounces@lists.swinog.ch]On Behalf Of mark walliser Sent: Freitag, 22. Juli 2005 09:23 To: swinog(a)swinog.ch Subject: Re: [swinog] future of dsl ...so, what will be the price of all these nice "automatic updates": - the next servicepack - the security patches - the update of the virusscanner - the update of the anti-spyware . . . please don't arguement: turn it off... because "automatic" is recommended - and the targetpeople you named, they definitely choose the recommended value... limit @ 20MB is way to low... ...i for one would never choose "non-flatrate", but that's a different story... just my 0.02$ cheers, mark walliser ----- Original Message ----- From: "Manuel Wenger" <manuel.wenger(a)ticinocom.com> To: <swinog(a)swinog.ch> Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 8:01 AM Subject: R: [swinog] future of dsl Hello, > That Sunrise offer is just a "Bauernfänger": 20 MB are exhausted > in a few days by requesting the "Tagi"'s (or Blick ..) homepage > and receiving some Emails - including "God morning" stuff and SPAM. > In fact, with this offer they may still reach the 40 CHF ;-) What you say is true. But that's not what this new ADSL product's target customers do with Internet. I think more of people like "my mother" (tm) who turn on the 'puter once a week to receive *one* email from her friend and then once a month to do their telebanking stuff. People like this actually exist, and that's a good product for them. They will never reach the 49.-/month that a 600/100 costs. That's why we are also offering this product :-) -Manuel _______________________________________________ swinog mailing list swinog(a)lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog _______________________________________________ swinog mailing list swinog(a)lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog _______________________________________________ swinog mailing list swinog(a)lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog _______________________________________________ swinog mailing list swinog(a)lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog

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R: [swinog] future of dsl
by Manuel Wenger 22 Jul '05

22 Jul '05

Hello, > That Sunrise offer is just a "Bauernfänger": 20 MB are exhausted > in a few days by requesting the "Tagi"'s (or Blick ..) homepage > and receiving some Emails - including "God morning" stuff and SPAM. > In fact, with this offer they may still reach the 40 CHF ;-) What you say is true. But that's not what this new ADSL product's target customers do with Internet. I think more of people like "my mother" (tm) who turn on the 'puter once a week to receive *one* email from her friend and then once a month to do their telebanking stuff. People like this actually exist, and that's a good product for them. They will never reach the 49.-/month that a 600/100 costs. That's why we are also offering this product :-) -Manuel

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AW: [swinog] future of dls
by Walter Onda (Glattwerk) 20 Jul '05

20 Jul '05

Hi >I doubt though that this will be a big success since flatrates >are very popular. Many customer won't pay 40 francs per month just for a bit surfing or for download e-mail. Users comming from Dial-In they would like this new offer. We also have such an offer and believe me, that's very popular! Walter

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future of dls
by Jean-Pierre Schwickerath 20 Jul '05

20 Jul '05

Hello everyone, I just read that Netgear proposes a firmware upgrade for their routers to support ADSL2+ and in Germany ISP are overbidding themselves with always increasing bandwidths. Does anyone have reliable information about what swiss broadband ISPs plan to offer in the next future? Regards, Jean-Pierre -- HILOTEC Engineering + Consulting GmbH Energietechnik und Datensysteme Tel: +41 34 402 74 00 - http://www.hilotec.com/

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AW: [swinog] future of dls
by Glogger Steven 20 Jul '05

20 Jul '05

hi jean-pierre > I just read that Netgear proposes a firmware upgrade for > their routers to support ADSL2+ and in Germany ISP are > overbidding themselves with always increasing bandwidths. lastmile = swisscom, so no overbidding with bandwidths in switzerland. > Does anyone have reliable information about what swiss > broadband ISPs plan to offer in the next future? don't talk about "swiss broadband ISPs". it's only swisscom, who's offering any service. the "swiss broadband ISPs" are only resellers of swisscom's service. as far as i know swisscom never talked about ADSL2+ but used words like SDSL and maybe VDSL... so, let us see what the future brings us... -steven > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: swinog-bounces(a)lists.swinog.ch > [mailto:swinog-bounces@lists.swinog.ch] Im Auftrag von > Jean-Pierre Schwickerath > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 20. Juli 2005 11:39 > An: swinog(a)swinog.ch > Betreff: [swinog] future of dls > > Hello everyone, > > I just read that Netgear proposes a firmware upgrade for > their routers to support ADSL2+ and in Germany ISP are > overbidding themselves with always increasing bandwidths. > > Does anyone have reliable information about what swiss > broadband ISPs plan to offer in the next future? > > > Regards, > Jean-Pierre > > > -- > HILOTEC Engineering + Consulting GmbH > Energietechnik und Datensysteme > Tel: +41 34 402 74 00 - http://www.hilotec.com/ > _______________________________________________ > swinog mailing list > swinog(a)lists.swinog.ch > http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog > >

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by Sarpreet 19 Jul '05

19 Jul '05

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