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RE: [swinog] future of dsl
by David Tschan 28 Jul '05

28 Jul '05

At the following link can some more infomations about the plans and timetables of Swisscom with VDSL be found. (sorry, only in german) http://www.tschan.ch/swinog/Triple_Play_Netzstruktur_und_Architektur.pdf Regards David --- |I doubt it would be VDSL - more likely VDSL2. Which gives them a very |limited footprint. Distances with VDSL2 are very limited. Indeed. There was a short talk 2 months ago by Swisscom, explaining their plan to deploy VDSL2, which actually implies moving the exchanges closer to the users, and their roadmap for coverage in the big cities. The presentation is available here: http://www.giti.ch/documents/Presentation_3PInfra.pdf

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Re: R: [swinog] future of dsl
by xaerni＠pop.ch 28 Jul '05

28 Jul '05

The different is with analog Telephone Line you pay every Minute, if you are in the Internet... This you can have better on control. But The traffic. I think is not very easy... I make now a test at home... I have installed a counter on my PC and I'm looking, how mach of traffic the computer makes, without me... You must look Antivirus make every month min. 5-10 mb traffic. Windows Updates.. horror... En fact the Limit is Fr. 59.-- for the traffic. I think the most costumer are paying the Limit (total 69.--). For 150/50 is this verry expensive... For ADSL i think is the best way a flatrate... But I write tomorrow mornig what kind of trafic my computer is making... without makeing sometings. Greeting Xaver At Fri, 22 Jul 2005 11:51:06 +0200, you wrote: >I don't think it's stupid. With a 56k modem you don't have any MB = >included at all, and you pay for traffic. Yes, you also pay when you = >install Windows Updates, McAfee updates or whatever. But if I were a = >"non-techie", I'd still prefer ADSL 150/50 instead of a 56k modem - = >because it's faster! *duh* > >At the end, you pay almost the same per hour like with a 56k modem = >(maybe something less) and you're faster. Again, this product wasn't = >thought for technical people, but for dial-up users who would like to = >get rid of the old, slow, noisy modem (yes, you can turn off the = >speaker, I know :-)) and maybe allow the husband to place a phone call = >while the wife plays Swiss Lotto, without needing ISDN. Is this so = >difficult? /methings ADSL Light was a great idea by Swisscom. Why does = >everything need to do Swisscom-bashing as a principle? > >Regards >Manuel >=20 > >-----Messaggio originale----- >Da: swinog-bounces(a)lists.swinog.ch = >[mailto:swinog-bounces@lists.swinog.ch] Per conto di Alain Stucki >Inviato: venerd=EC, 22. luglio 2005 10:02 >A: swinog(a)swinog.ch >Oggetto: AW: [swinog] future of dsl > >That's exact my position. 20MB/month.. This is really stupid..=20 >20MB exhausted in a few days by reading your daily spam, some other = >mails with attached files and so on..=20 > >I think no one need ADSL with 20MB traffic limit, the good, old 56k = >modem is a much better solution for these "Gelegenheits-surfer" >No basic free, no traffic limit.. You pay exactly what you get.. > >Greetz >Alain > >_______________________________________________ >swinog mailing list >swinog(a)lists.swinog.ch >http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog

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Letter from WEKO - it took REKO 18 month to do nothing.
by Fredy Kuenzler 28 Jul '05

28 Jul '05

Yesterday we received a letter from WEKO, basically saying that REKO took 18 months to do nothing in the Swisscom FWS BBCS rebate case. So we start from scratch again, which is, IMHO, real big ... I wrote a blog entry about it (German). Please note that my personal opinion is mixed with the facts. http://www.blogg.ch/blogs/chisp.html F.

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FW: Cisco IOS Exploit Cover Up
by Michel Renfer 28 Jul '05

28 Jul '05

Cisco's response thus far: http://www.cisco.com/en/US/about/security/intelligence/MySDN_CiscoIOS.ht ml

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RE: [swinog] future of dls
by Gabriel Boissonnard 28 Jul '05

28 Jul '05

|I doubt it would be VDSL - more likely VDSL2. Which gives |them a very limited footprint. Distances with VDSL2 are very |limited. Indeed. There was a short talk 2 months ago by Swisscom, explaining their plan to deploy VDSL2, which actually implies moving the exchanges closer to the users, and their roadmap for coverage in the big cities. The presentation is available here: http://www.giti.ch/documents/Presentation_3PInfra.pdf Regards, Gabriel Boissonnard

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[Fwd: Cisco IOS Exploit Cover Up]
by Fredy Kuenzler 27 Jul '05

27 Jul '05

Another YAGR to come ... ?!? F. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Cisco IOS Exploit Cover Up Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 13:26:21 -0400 From: James Baldwin <jbaldwin(a)antinode.net> To: nanog(a)merit.edu For those who like to keep abreast of security issues, there are interesting developments happening at BlackHat with regards to Cisco IOS and its vulnerability to arbitrary code executions. I apologize for the article itself being brief and lean on technical details, but allow me to say that it does represent a real problem (as in practical and confirmed): http://blogs.washingtonpost.com/securityfix/2005/07/mending_a_hole_.html

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RE: [swinog] future of dls
by Michel Renfer 27 Jul '05

27 Jul '05

> I know is that all the 'excessive' bandwidth available with VDSL will > only be used for HDTV streaming. So don't hold your breath for 20Mbit > Internet surfing. Ack! TV streams will have strict priority over internet traffic. So surfing at (very) highspeed and hdtv streaming won't be possible. cheers, michel

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AW: [swinog] *SPECIAL* SwiNOG-BE28 - BBQ/Beer Event 28 - 8th of August@ Oerlikerpark
by Bernet Nicole 27 Jul '05

27 Jul '05

You guys choose - apéro or dessert, whatever is wished! Cheers, -nicole -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: swinog-bounces(a)lists.swinog.ch [mailto:swinog-bounces@lists.swinog.ch] Im Auftrag von Martin Ebnoether Gesendet: Mittwoch, 27. Juli 2005 12:03 An: swinog(a)swinog.ch Betreff: Re: [swinog] *SPECIAL* SwiNOG-BE28 - BBQ/Beer Event 28 - 8th of August@ Oerlikerpark Glogger Steven schrieb: [Grill, what people will bring] > this could be: > - beer Bier Paul oder Turbine. Audience, please choose which. > - some hot sauces (venty?) Yes, I'll bring them. Can you imagine me going to a barbie without any hot sauce? =:-) > - desserts I'll bake a chocolate cake with rum-raisins (and rum). > see pictures on http://gallery.glogger.ch/swinogbe16 Cool, not yet seen. *click* CU, Venty _______________________________________________ swinog mailing list swinog(a)lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog

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*SPECIAL* SwiNOG-BE28 - BBQ/Beer Event 28 - 8th of August @ Oerlikerpark
by Glogger Steven 27 Jul '05

27 Jul '05

hi all last time the weather was not good ;-( i hope that this time we will have a fantastic weather and can enjoy the next tryout of our BBQ event. we go again for this BBQ event Oerlikerpark (near Center Eleven / Zurich Oerlikon). Link for registration http://swinog.mrmouse.ch/ please read the whole e-mail - there are some important informations :) when is it? ------------ 8th of august at around 18.30 - until.. well..open end ;) Registration deadline: 08.08.2005 12:00:00 ok, the registration deadline is kind of obsolete. anyone who wants to come just comes. we have enough space ,-) (but for the restaurant in case of bad weather it's quite important) what to food / drink? ----------------------- quite simple: what you bring with you is what you can eat and drink. some ppl are sponsoring some things, but don't rely on that. we will have some grills and some place to seat. i will sponsor some charcoal and bring again some one-way-usable-trow-away grills. and for sure i'll bring the little ventilator ;-) (thanks to roman ;-)) i heard that some guys wants to sponsor some beer ;-) roger will bring a tent... so, if you register and you want to contribute something for others please note it to the "COMMENTS" field when registering. this is very helpful for others to know, that to bring ;-) this could be: - beer - some hot sauces (venty?) - chips & snacks - good mood - bread - desserts - salads - etc.. where is it? ------------- http://www.gis.zh.ch/gb4/zvv/zvv.asp?zvv=ja&hst=0103789 it's in the 'Oerlikerpark' near Center Eleven / Zurich Oerlikon. with the bus 64 or 75 from bahnhof oerlikon until 'Bollingerweg'. or you come with the bus number 80 until 'Birchstrasse' and then walk behind the credit suisse building. ith the car you might park in the Parkhaus Octavo (in the CS building) or in he near of the center eleven (coop; 5min away and has open until 20.00). see pictures on http://gallery.glogger.ch/swinogbe16 problems (!!!): --------------- there is NO public toilet in the near. so please consider this before leaving for the BE ,-) there might be some toilets walking some minutes around ;-) if there is (very) bad weather: -------------------------------- if the weather is very bad on that date we would move to the 'Johanniter' in the 'Döfli'. i' make an email until 12:00 about the change. If someone cannot find us: call me on my handy: 079 / 277 92 35 greetings -steven

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AW: [swinog] future of dsl
by Glogger Steven 26 Jul '05

26 Jul '05

> I don't think it's stupid. With a 56k modem you don't have > any MB included at all, and you pay for traffic. Yes, you > also pay when you install Windows Updates, McAfee updates or > whatever. But if I were a "non-techie", I'd still prefer ADSL > 150/50 instead of a 56k modem - because it's faster! *duh* ok, for the speed: it's 3 times faster .. (ow..is that slow -,)) but is it really cheaper? let's calculate a little bit: 20MB costs the user at least 10.- per month (that he has to switch his telephone to sunrise is another thing). a 56k modem reaches about 7kb/sec. so 20Mb takes about 48 Minutes to download. 1 hour by phone costs something CHF 2.80. i know, its a little bit comparing apples with pears... but at the end: - the user can download faster (ok, it takes hime 16 minutes...) - pays around 10x more ... the user should enjoy a good coffee during that download - which he can of course afford because he saved some money ;-) > Why does everything need to do Swisscom-bashing as a principle? it'snot swisscom bashing (ok, maybe a little bit): but the pricing we have to pay to swisscom is far away from good and bad. it seems that they took a pricelist from 1998 or so for this service... pfft... -steven

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