-- Mike Kellenberger mike.kellenberger@escapenet.ch Escapenet - the Web Company Tel +41 52 235 0700 http://www.escapenet.ch Skype mikek70atwork -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: swinog-bounces@lists.swinog.ch [mailto:swinog-bounces@lists.swinog.ch] Im Auftrag von Mike Kellenberger Gesendet: Freitag, 22. September 2006 08:37 An: swinog@swinog.ch Betreff: AW: [swinog] Sunrise network issues? Hey cool, my packets to our server at init7 as a cablecom customer travel from winterthur over half europe to zürich now :-( Tracing route to r1escape.cpe.init7.net [82.197.163.110] over a maximum of 30 hops: 1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 192.168.10.1 2 * 7 ms 7 ms 62-2-80-229.static.cablecom.ch [62.2.80.229] 3 11 ms 11 ms 11 ms 10.219.224.1 4 32 ms * * ch-gva01a-ra1-ge-1-1-0.aorta.net [213.46.171.53] 5 19 ms 20 ms 19 ms ch-gva01a-ra1-ge-1-1-0.aorta.net [213.46.171.53] 6 40 ms 39 ms 42 ms nl-ams01a-rd1-ge-4-1.aorta.net [213.46.160.25] 7 40 ms 42 ms 40 ms fr-par03a-rd1-ge-4-0.aorta.net [213.46.163.82] 8 44 ms 41 ms 57 ms fr-par03a-ra1-ge-0-0-0_0.aorta.net [213.46.163.9 0] 9 41 ms 41 ms 42 ms prs-b2-geth6-1.telia.net [213.248.70.37] 10 42 ms 54 ms 41 ms prs-bb2-pos7-1-0.telia.net [213.248.65.225] 11 51 ms 51 ms 51 ms ffm-bb2-pos6-0-0.telia.net [213.248.65.118] 12 63 ms 61 ms 61 ms zch-b1-pos2-0.telia.net [213.248.65.170] 13 40 ms 43 ms 40 ms init-113677-zch-b1.c.telia.net [213.248.96.46] 14 41 ms 42 ms 41 ms r4.core.init7.net [213.144.128.4] 15 43 ms 46 ms 44 ms r1escape.cpe.init7.net [82.197.163.110] Trace complete. Freundliche Grüsse -- Mike Kellenberger mike.kellenberger@escapenet.ch Escapenet - the Web Company Tel +41 52 235 0700 http://www.escapenet.ch Skype mikek70atwork -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: swinog-bounces@lists.swinog.ch [mailto:swinog-bounces@lists.swinog.ch] Im Auftrag von Nik Hug Gesendet: Freitag, 22. September 2006 08:26 An: swinog@swinog.ch Betreff: Re: [swinog] Sunrise network issues? Good Morning [..] > It is a general thing. I would have thought swiss ISPs > buying a bit more selective based on rtt and peering being > local or close by. Disclaimers apply left and right, for > you know who I am etc. But I am really surprised, believe > it or not. yes we do care about rtt - but we can't ignore the prices. it's the usual trade-off :-( If you have to pay twice the price for peering transit as for full transit the decision is clear - at least from my point of view. > Think about it this way - before there were 2 ISPs you had > with 'interesting' domestic peering policies. Now you have > three... I could bet with you these three do not react so > much about traffic over their upstream unless it is some > 500m sustained...? I speak of experience, in a way [..] in the past it showed, that this "bad" domestic peering policies even brought customers to our network. You can very well explain the peering policy of a big domestic ISP to your own customers and earn their sympathy and support. Regards Nik _______________________________________________ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog _______________________________________________ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog