From: Martin Ebnoether ventilator@semmel.ch
All that is needed to take Skype down is an automatic windows update of some thousand computers.
Remember last summer? http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20070819
hey Venty, long time no see :)
if you remember, back in 2003-2004 there were viruses which knocked down hundreds of thousands of windows PCs. So what, we're still using that :)
If the tool serves my needs, I don't really care if it's open source - I'm not going to compile anything on my desktop anyway. And if it collects any marketing stats, so what, everyone is doing that, and we're helping them (Coop Supercard for example). There's nothing bad about companies knowing better what I might buy from them :-)
Stanislav Sinyagin schrieb:
From: Martin Ebnoether ventilator@semmel.ch
All that is needed to take Skype down is an automatic windows update of some thousand computers.
Remember last summer? http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20070819
hey Venty, long time no see :)
if you remember, back in 2003-2004 there were viruses which knocked down hundreds of thousands of windows PCs. So what, we're still using that :)
Well, you maybe - I don't ;-) But then, I also didn't use Windows in 2003, either... Nowadays, the viruses don't knock down the Windows-boxes, they just use them as Spam-Zombies or attack-drones or whatever the people that rent them want to use them for.
If the tool serves my needs, I don't really care if it's open source - I'm not going to compile anything on my desktop anyway. And if it collects any marketing stats, so what, everyone is doing that, and we're helping them (Coop Supercard for example).
I don't have any of those, either.
There's nothing bad about companies knowing better what I might buy from them :-)
I think you are oversimplifying and trivializing what these databases can be used for. Nowadays, these giant databases of consumer buying-behavior are probably also used to find potential terrorists. "Who bought box-cutters and what did they buy with them?" "Who bought box-cutters only?" "Who bought the other items alone that the people buying box-cutters and other items bought?"
It's hilarious, but that's how some people actually believe the war against terror can be won.
Also, I think you should do some reading regarding the Skype application. I think that if it wasn't for its widespread use, most AV-programs would consider it "malware". The executable itself is packed and encrypted and actively tries to avoid debugging/reverse-engineering by in-memory debuggers. The communication itself is encrypted with an unknown encryption-method. And of course, yes, no source code is available (for the general public).
I did sign up for an account and used it for a few times - but just because I didn't have time to setup my own Jabber server and experiment with iChat ;-) I've got a _very_ bad feeling using this app - it's just scary.
Rainer
so .. we have to be carefull what we buy .. more difficult than buy something 1938 .. where you could be sued for buying electronic parts which could enable you to hear other Radio programms than "göbbels-schnauze"
never buy more than one cutter-knive at one time, or you could be a possi ble suspect for mass-murdering ...lol
Roger
Stanislav Sinyagin schrieb:
From: Martin Ebnoether ventilator@semmel.ch
All that is needed to take Skype down is an automatic windows update of some thousand computers.
Remember last summer? http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20070819
hey Venty, long time no see :)
if you remember, back in 2003-2004 there were viruses which knocked down hundreds of thousands of windows PCs. So what, we're still using that :)
Well, you maybe - I don't ;-) But then, I also didn't use Windows in 2003, either... Nowadays, the viruses don't knock down the Windows-boxes, they just use them as Spam-Zombies or attack-drones or whatever the people that rent them want to use them for.
If the tool serves my needs, I don't really care if it's open source - I'm not going to compile anything on my desktop anyway. And if it collects any marketing stats, so what, everyone is doing that, and we're helping them (Coop Supercard for example).
I don't have any of those, either.
There's nothing bad about companies knowing better what I might buy from them :-)
I think you are oversimplifying and trivializing what these databases can be used for. Nowadays, these giant databases of consumer buying-behavior are probably also used to find potential terrorists. "Who bought box-cutters and what did they buy with them?" "Who bought box-cutters only?" "Who bought the other items alone that the people buying box-cutters and other items bought?"
It's hilarious, but that's how some people actually believe the war against terror can be won.
Also, I think you should do some reading regarding the Skype application. I think that if it wasn't for its widespread use, most AV-programs would consider it "malware". The executable itself is packed and encrypted and actively tries to avoid debugging/reverse-engineering by in-memory debuggers. The communication itself is encrypted with an unknown encryption-method. And of course, yes, no source code is available (for the general public).
I did sign up for an account and used it for a few times - but just because I didn't have time to setup my own Jabber server and experiment with iChat ;-) I've got a _very_ bad feeling using this app - it's just scary.
Rainer
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On the Tue, Oct 07, 2008 at 12:26:37AM -0700, Stanislav Sinyagin blubbered:
Hoi Stan!
All that is needed to take Skype down is an automatic windows update of some thousand computers.
Remember last summer? http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20070819
hey Venty, long time no see :)
if you remember, back in 2003-2004 there were viruses which knocked down hundreds of thousands of windows PCs. So what, we're still using that :)
Well, I'm typing on a Mac at the office, using SSH to connect to a NetBSD box at home. =:-) My last Windows installation is a Windows 2000, which is slowly falling apart.
If the tool serves my needs, I don't really care if it's open source - I'm not going to compile anything on my desktop anyway. And if it collects any marketing stats, so what, everyone is doing that, and we're helping them (Coop Supercard for example). There's nothing bad about companies knowing better what I might buy from them :-)
Well, yes, if it serves the purpose, sure. Though if the company/product has a bad reputation in terms of security and spying on the user, I do think twice about using it. Skype is one of these companies/products actually. As said before, I use Skype at most with the PSPs built-in client which can do phone calls and thats it. I'm not much online there though.
CU, Venty
On the Tue, Oct 07, 2008 at 12:26:37AM -0700, Stanislav Sinyagin blubbered:
Hi.
going to compile anything on my desktop anyway. And if it collects any marketing stats, so what, everyone is doing that, and we're helping them (Coop Supercard for example). There's nothing bad about companies knowing better what I might buy from them :-)
Well... Actually, the Supercard (and the Cumulus as well) are quite easy to "exploit" and throw a monkey wrench up Coops and Migros database.
I have both cards but I share them with my parents. That is one thing, one can do, share the card.
Then, I don't have the card with me all of the time. (In fact I do have them with me, but oh well...). In that case, if the grandma before or after me has a card, I just ask her if she wants my Cumulus points on her account. Sure they do, classical win-win situation. She is happy, Migros database is confused (what does the 90 year old lady buys beer, CD-Rs and condoms for?) and the clerk won't mind anyway.
This also works the other way. If someone at the checkout does not have a card, why not ask them, if you can have their points on your account? Just ask nicely, most people without a card won't mind. Another win-win situation here.
For your listening pleasure, download the Privacy song: http://three-dead-trolls-in-a-baggie-the-privac-mp3-download.kohit.net/_/618...
CU, Venty
On the Tue, Oct 07, 2008 at 12:26:37AM -0700, Stanislav Sinyagin blubbered:
Hi.
going to compile anything on my desktop anyway. And if it collects any marketing stats, so what, everyone is doing that, and we're helping them (Coop Supercard for example). There's nothing bad about companies knowing better what I might buy from them :-)
well would be not surprised when in a DB scan they recognizing you as single buying so much .. they think your making business with it, and noticing the tax department.
or like a neighbour .. he got sued to throw liter in ilegal bags .. because they verifyed the list of items he was buying .. found a receipt with his name .. and they got him .. but as the letter arrived he was just back from holiday, and all the items where still in his house but they didnt accept that
Well... Actually, the Supercard (and the Cumulus as well) are quite easy to "exploit" and throw a monkey wrench up Coops and Migros database.
I have both cards but I share them with my parents. That is one thing, one can do, share the card.
Then, I don't have the card with me all of the time. (In fact I do have them with me, but oh well...). In that case, if the grandma before or after me has a card, I just ask her if she wants my Cumulus points on her account. Sure they do, classical win-win situation. She is happy, Migros database is confused (what does the 90 year old lady buys beer, CD-Rs and condoms for?) and the clerk won't mind anyway.
This also works the other way. If someone at the checkout does not have a card, why not ask them, if you can have their points on your account? Just ask nicely, most people without a card won't mind. Another win-win situation here.
For your listening pleasure, download the Privacy song: http://three-dead-trolls-in-a-baggie-the-privac-mp3-download.kohit.net/_/618...
CU, Venty
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