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Re: Swiss Telecom Regulator orders Swisscom to peer on a zero-settlement basis
by Fredy Kuenzler 24 Dec '24

24 Dec '24

> Am 24.12.2024 um 14:00 schrieb Arnold Nipper <arnold(a)nipper.de>: >> On 23.12.2024 12:55, Fredy Künzler via swinog wrote: >> >> Big victory for Init7: Swisscom is obliged to operate interconnections on a zero-settlement basis! 🎉 🥂 🍾 > > congratulations! This has been a long fight! And ComCom's decision is encouraging for the interconnection industry. > Q1: does that mean that Swisscom has to peer with any network worldwide? Or only with Swiss? And which routes? The order applies only to Init7, however it could prejudice similar cases. Most relevant is that Swisscom is considered dominant in the relevant market (access to their end customers). There is no other option foe content heavy networks to send traffic via paid peering (any ratio beyond 2:1 is expensive) or buying transit from DTAG, and it’s known that DTAG is paying kickback to Swisscom and others because they can enforce overpriced fees from content. That pattern is considered illegal, SC and DTAG formed a cartel according to Swiss law. I hope that ComCo (Wettbewerbskommission) will sanction it any day soon. Since swiss operators are requested to register themselves at OFCOM, they become FDA (Fernmeldedienstanbieterin) and the FMG Fernmeldegesetz (Swiss telecom law) applies. Here are the rules: A Swiss FDA can start negotiating with Swisscom about zero settlement peering. If no consensus is reached within three months, the FDA can request an order at ComCom with reference to our case and documenting all the steps taken to achieve an agreement (emails, protocols etc.). ComCom is supposed to rule within 7 months. The decision of ComCom can be appealed to the Federal A Court by either party. It’s not risk free and I suggest to get a lawyer with clue to avoid formal mistakes, in case there is no consensus possible with Swisscom. It could have also a financial impact, as we lost the first attempt, we were asked to pay ~CHF 126’000 to cover the cost of the procedure. Since Swisscom has lost now, they have to pay ~CHF 170’000. I suggest to read page 4 to 11 of the «Verfügung» https://www.init7.net/de/vf-2024-12-19-001-entscheid-comcom-verf-init7-swis… (German) to get a clue how painful it could be. I assume that Swisscom is going to rework their peering policy and change it to a compliant version. I suggest to wait until the new version is out. > Q2: as a corollary: shouldn't all networks in a country peer with each other their national routes on a zero-settlement basis? Thats a hypothetical question and is beyond the ruling of ComCom, I guess. -- Fredy Künzler Init7 (Switzerland) Ltd. Technoparkstrasse 5 CH-8406 Winterthur https://www.init7.net/

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Swiss Telecom Regulator orders Swisscom to peer on a zero-settlement basis
by Fredy Künzler 24 Dec '24

24 Dec '24

Big victory for Init7: Swisscom is obliged to operate interconnections on a zero-settlement basis! 🎉 🥂 🍾 The Swiss Telecom Regulator (ComCom) rules 100% in favor of Init7 in the #Interconnect #Peering case, which has been ongoing since 2013. Swisscom is categorized as dominant in the relevant market (access to its end customers) and has abused its technical monopoly. The decision will have implications internationally. More information in our media release: https://www.init7.net/de/news/241223-mm-init7-comcom-orders-swisscom- must-operate-zero-settlement-peering-with-init7-en.pdf (English) https://www.init7.net/de/news/241223-mm-init7-comcom-verfugt-swisscom-muss-… (German) P.S. The case mustn’t be confused with the fiberglass dispute. -- Fredy Künzler Init7 (Switzerland) Ltd. Technoparkstrasse 5 CH-8406 Winterthur https://www.init7.net/

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Wanted: 16-Bit ASN for Exchange7
by Fredy Künzler 19 Dec '24

19 Dec '24

If anyone has a 16-Bit ASN spare and is willing to sell it for a decent price, please contact me off list. No fancy number required. RIPE NCC is handing out ASNs from just one pool these days, and the pool contains probably 99% 32-Bit ASN. Purpose: Route Servers of our Exchange7 project. -- Fredy Künzler Init7 (Switzerland) Ltd. Technoparkstrasse 5 CH-8406 Winterthur https://www.init7.net/

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Residential FTTH IPv6
by Mat Kowalski 12 Dec '24

12 Dec '24

Hi all, This came up recently when I was talking with some colleagues about residential connections... You know, regular stuff people discuss over a beer or two... We all know Init7 is recognized as The Provider for power users and no one argues with that. But also everyone knows we have mainstream ones kinda-supporting IPv6. Swisscom gives public IPv4 and IPv6 via 6rd tunnel. Similar with Sunrise, but sometimes you end up on CG-NAT. Salt is only CG-NAT, at least according to the anecdotal proofs. Power users wouldn't be power if they did not try stuff. So I took my Sunrise FTTH over native fiber (EWZ in my case, not Swisscom BBCS) and it turns out I get public IPv4 from DHCP (expected) as well as IPv6 /56 prefix via DHCPv6 (not expected at all). The last one is extremely surprising - the status quo was that you can get IPv6 with Sunrise via 6rd, but DHCPv6 is a novelty. Or is it not? What is the state in 2024 ? Who does IPv6 ? Who does it natively ? I am surprised there is no single google result about Sunrise doing DHCPv6 so I wonder what we don't know about other ISPs. Cheers and have a nice day, Mat

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Problems with www.postfinance.ch
by Stefan 28 Nov '24

28 Nov '24

Dear List, Does anyone of you also have problems with postfinance.ch being sporadically unavailable? For us, it's mainly customers who use a Fortigate firewall who are affected, apparently since last Friday when Postfinance had technical problems [1]. First I was thinking that ssl-inspection is doing some strange things, I disabled it but now I see sporadic no reply to TCP-SYN packets. Is anyone experiencing the same behaviour? [1] https://www.inside-it.ch/grosse-stoerung-bei-postfinance-20241101 Regards Stefan

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IANA IPv6 Global Unicast Address Assignments Registry Update
by David Dong 02 Nov '24

02 Nov '24

Hi, The IANA IPv6 Global Unicast Address Assignments registry has been updated to reflect the allocation of the following block to APNIC: 2410::/12 APNIC 2024-11-01 You can find the registry at: https://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv6-unicast-address-assignments/ The allocation was made in accordance with the Policy for Allocation of IPv6 Blocks to Regional Internet Registries: https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/allocation-ipv6-rirs-2012-02-25-en Best Regards, David Dong IANA Services Sr. Specialist

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### SwiNOG #39 - Agenda ###
by Simon Ryf 11 Sep '24

11 Sep '24

Dear community, The Agenda for SwiNOG #39 – Wednesday 25th of September 2024 is published. https://www.swinog.ch/meetings/swinog39/ Registration is open until September 15th (after that you need to request late registration) https://register.swinog.ch/ Gurtenbahn change Please note, there is a new way how Gurtenbahn (the Cablecar to the event location) is handling tickets. You still don’t have to pay but you need to request a ticket via voucher. We will send all participants detailed instructions a few days before the meeting. Already a big “Thank You” to our Sponsors and Speakers. * A10 Networks<http://www.a10networks.com/> - Gold Sponsor * Swiss Network Solutions AG<https://www.sns.ag/> – Gold Sponsor * Exa Infrastructure<https://exainfra.net> – Gold Sponsor * SwissIX<https://www.swissix.ch> – Supporter * Flexoptix<https://www.flexoptix.net/> – Supporter * Amazon Web Services<https://aws.amazon.com> - Supporter Hope to see many of you soon. --- Simon Ryf SwiNOG Core Team Phone: +41 79 370 41 57 E-Mail: simon(a)swinog.org<mailto:simon@swinog.org> Web: https://swinog.ch

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bluewin.ch mail forwarding problem
by Juerg Reimann 28 Aug '24

28 Aug '24

I would appreciate it if someone from Swisscom in charge of the bluewin.ch mail servers could contact me off-list at my address, jr(a)iplus.pro. We are experiencing an issue with customers who have automatic forwards from bluewin.ch / bluemail.ch addresses not reaching our mail server anymore. Thanks a lot, Juerg Reimann -- iplus.pro Lyrenweg 8 | 079 338 48 00 | Informatik | Planung 8047 Zürich | www.iplus.pro | Umsetzung | Support und Schulung

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Sunrise internet drops
by Beat Eichenberger 11 Jul '24

11 Jul '24

Good morning We just observed some flaps on multiple of our sunrise (former UPC) business links. Anything going on we should be aware of? Replies off-list are also welcome ;-) Many thanks and kind regards Beat

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Research project on Sustainable Networking
by Romain Jacob 09 Jul '24

09 Jul '24

Dear all, My name is Romain; I’m a researcher at ETH Zürich working with Laurent Vanbever. I have led projects on sustainable networking for about 2+ years now. One important challenge the academic community currently faces is the lack of quality data for the energy a router or switch consumes. To address this, we work on fine-grained power modeling of network devices, and we need data to validate their accuracy “in the wild.” To facilitate that, we worked to realize the vision of “RIPE Atlas for power data” I pitched at last winter’s RIPE meeting <https://ripe87.ripe.net/archives/video/1143/>. And I’m happy to say that we are ready to start distributing measurement units! Concretely, we are looking for people willing to * Install measurement units in series of each PSU of routers and switches. The measurement unit is an MCP39F511N <https://www.microchip.com/en-us/development-tool/ADM00706> power meter combined with a Raspberry Pi for management and data collection: We will provide the appropriate cabling. To control the unit, the Pi needs to be connected to a publicly reachable network via RJ45 (WiFi connectivity is technically possible as well, but requires additional setup) * Share device-specific data with us, including at minima o Packet and/or byte counters for the active device interfaces. o Types and numbers of transceivers plugged in. and optionally o PSU-internal measurements o Operating system version o Fan speeds o CPU load o Average room temperature conditions * Let the measurement run for at least one week. * Send us back the measurement units (we provide pre-labeled packaging for that). In return, we can only offer our sincere gratitude and the guarantee that your effort will contribute to the progress of science! I know it s not much, but I hope that’s worth something :-) ➡️ If you are interested, please let me know by replying to this email. Thank you in advance! Note: We want to publish the collected data (in an anonymized way), but that is *optional*. If you are willing to contribute but your organization opposes the data sharing, we won’t publish it, and we will sign NDAs if necessary. Thank you again for reading! Looking forward to hearing from you, -- Romain JACOB Postdoctoral Researcher ETH Zurich Networked Systems Group (NSG) Lead: Prof. Laurent Vanbever www.romainjacob.net <https://www.romainjacob.net/> @RJacobPartner <https://twitter.com/RJacobPartner> @jacobr@discuss.systems <https://discuss.systems/@jacobr> Gloriastrasse 35, ETZ G81 8092 Zurich +41 7 68 16 88 22

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