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Re: [swinog] cost of class-C IP block
by Scott Weeks 09 Dec '05

09 Dec '05

The term "class C" is historical. It is a /24 now days. The first octet of a "class C" IP address has to start with 110, but a /24 does not have this restriction... :-) scott ----- Original Message Follows ----- From: "Umberto Annino" <privo(a)gmx.ch> To: swinog(a)swinog.ch Subject: [swinog] cost of class-C IP block Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 09:19:58 +0100 (MET) > Cheers > > I need to know the approximate cost (and maybe also the > exact procedure) to get hold of a class-C IP address > block. according to RIPE, they "sell" the IP-addresses to > members only, which seem to be ISP's (don't know if an > individual can sign up as member). and according to some > search I made on google, RIPE itself doesn't charge for > the blocks, but the provider may charge the cost > (administration etc.) to the customer. > > basically, I need the IP range for a client, and they're > already attached to Swisscom for other purposes (IPSS). of > course you'll believe me that I was connected to approx. > 10 different people all over switzerland, only to hear > "the corresponding account manager will get back to you to > quote a price". that was 2 days ago, and now the line is > busy (ironically, I thought that phone companies can > manage not to have a line busy on a service center, but to > be able to tell you exact waiting time, re-route your call > to a free callcenter agent etc., but that's another > story). > > so can anyone tell me how much 255 public IP addresses > would approximately cost? > > thanks > > regards > Umbi > > -- > > http://www.bigbrotherawards.ch - privacy > _______________________________________________ > swinog mailing list > swinog(a)lists.swinog.ch > http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog

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Re: [swinog] Cablecom blockages out of control?
by Marc Ammann 09 Dec '05

09 Dec '05

Let the discussion be focused on the theme. Concrete issues can be solved and will be solved. There are many generic contacts and those will be read, even Mail-Accounts! With people behind who will take care..... Which telephone number is wanted or needed? I personally find the INOC-DBA a good thing and surprise it works (some limitations are known) ;-) My suggestion is, to us the well known mail-addresses, if this does not work try again or use a "trampoline" address. @Martin Please send me privately your email with the number you got. I will clarify this situation. Best Regards Marc -- It's easy to smile if you don't care about the future

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RE: [swinog] Cablecom blockages out of control?
by Glogger Steven 09 Dec '05

09 Dec '05

> Ask Felix Giger or Marc Amman. As far as I know they returned > safely from the BE in November. But to be honest: you will > have to deal with the annoying comments from the other techies... ;-) yes, they returned safely @home ;-) but you have to spend at least 50 rounds of beer *just joking* ,-) would be nice to see more participation from cablecom ... -steven

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Re: [swinog] Cablecom blockages out of control?
by Marc Ammann 09 Dec '05

09 Dec '05

Hi Seegras someone has sometimes somewhere some problems right? But concrete Who? When? where? which service? ... There are some ways you can go, to get in touch with a company [1] via your Helpdesk [2] try the website [3] via your account manager [..] several other ways [..] even some more ways [664] inoc dba [665] RIPE [666] swinog mailing list I really try to understand the problem and how to figure out i can help you. Best Regards Marc >>> seegras(a)discordia.ch 08.12.2005 15:45:43 >>> * on the Thu, Dec 08, 2005 at 03:21:40PM +0100, Glogger Steven wrote: > you mean blocked by e-mail? or on based on ip? Blocked for email, based on IP. ... Seems not generally though (as I first assumed), only the error returned by Cablecom looked very much so. Or maybe it really was listed by SORBS as dialup-range this morning and isn't anymore. > you might contact cablecom via inoc db phone ,-) Fax? Actually, some nice person there gave me Christians phonenumber. And you should update the number in the pdf/doc. The person listed as "fax" definitly isn't, and definitly is not a technical contact ;) Cheers Seegras -- Those who give up essential liberties for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -- Benjamin Franklin _______________________________________________ swinog mailing list swinog(a)lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog

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RE: [swinog] Cablecom blockages out of control?
by Glogger Steven 09 Dec '05

09 Dec '05

> By the way, my friend told me, that once he got a different > job, he'd visit a beer event, but does not dare to as a CC > admin because of the bad reputation of the company. =:-)) he's always invited to join up the beer event. but if he signs up he's supposed to come or to drop a mail that he's not coming. we will not lynch any cablecom guys ,-) -steven

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Re: [swinog] Cablecom blockages out of control?
by Viktor Steinmann 09 Dec '05

09 Dec '05

No offense, but did you ever call the helpdesk of your company? I had the joy to do so, and I'd rather have sex with a cheese grater, than calling that number again. Cheers, Viktor Zitat von Marc Ammann <marc.ammann(a)cablecom.ch>: > There are some ways you can go, to get in touch with a company > [1] via your Helpdesk

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cost of class-C IP block
by Umberto Annino 09 Dec '05

09 Dec '05

Cheers I need to know the approximate cost (and maybe also the exact procedure) to get hold of a class-C IP address block. according to RIPE, they "sell" the IP-addresses to members only, which seem to be ISP's (don't know if an individual can sign up as member). and according to some search I made on google, RIPE itself doesn't charge for the blocks, but the provider may charge the cost (administration etc.) to the customer. basically, I need the IP range for a client, and they're already attached to Swisscom for other purposes (IPSS). of course you'll believe me that I was connected to approx. 10 different people all over switzerland, only to hear "the corresponding account manager will get back to you to quote a price". that was 2 days ago, and now the line is busy (ironically, I thought that phone companies can manage not to have a line busy on a service center, but to be able to tell you exact waiting time, re-route your call to a free callcenter agent etc., but that's another story). so can anyone tell me how much 255 public IP addresses would approximately cost? thanks regards Umbi -- http://www.bigbrotherawards.ch - privacy

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RE: [swinog] cost of class-C IP block
by Glogger Steven 09 Dec '05

09 Dec '05

hi umbi > so can anyone tell me how much 255 public IP addresses would > approximately cost? well, ip addresses don't cost anything. i assume that you want get PI space ,-) you may charge an administrative fee for all the administrative purposes. it takes some time to fill in all the required forms and write the request. some providers are requesting money for this efford (it can take up to several hours of work - depending how much you want and now many questions RIPE will send to the provider - if something is bad). normally, if you switch your network and ask for own ip space some providers are doing this for free (included in setup fee for connectivity or so). so, lets say the price is from 0.- to several hundreds or thousands ;-) greetings -steven

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RE: [swinog] Cablecom blockages out of control?
by Jérôme Tissières 08 Dec '05

08 Dec '05

> (...) [666] swinog mailing list 666 ? Related to the last topics, that's maybe why swinog mailing list is a sort of hell for some ISPs ? ;-) Cu, Jerome > -----Message d'origine----- > De : swinog-bounces(a)lists.swinog.ch > [mailto:swinog-bounces@lists.swinog.ch] De la part de Marc Ammann > Envoyé : jeudi, 8. décembre 2005 16:06 > À : swinog(a)swinog.ch > Objet : Re: [swinog] Cablecom blockages out of control? > > Hi Seegras > > someone has sometimes somewhere some problems right? > > But concrete > Who? > When? > where? > which service? > ... > > There are some ways you can go, to get in touch with a > company [1] via your Helpdesk [2] try the website [3] via > your account manager [..] several other ways [..] even some > more ways [664] inoc dba [665] RIPE [666] swinog mailing list > > I really try to understand the problem and how to figure out > i can help you. > > Best Regards > Marc > > >>> seegras(a)discordia.ch 08.12.2005 15:45:43 >>> > * on the Thu, Dec 08, 2005 at 03:21:40PM +0100, Glogger Steven wrote: > > you mean blocked by e-mail? or on based on ip? > > Blocked for email, based on IP. ... > > Seems not generally though (as I first assumed), only the > error returned by Cablecom looked very much so. Or maybe it > really was listed by SORBS as dialup-range this morning and > isn't anymore. > > > you might contact cablecom via inoc db phone ,-) > > Fax? Actually, some nice person there gave me Christians phonenumber. > And you should update the number in the pdf/doc. The person > listed as "fax" definitly isn't, and definitly is not a > technical contact ;) > > Cheers > Seegras > -- > Those who give up essential liberties for temporary safety > deserve neither liberty nor safety. -- Benjamin Franklin > _______________________________________________ > swinog mailing list > swinog(a)lists.swinog.ch > http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog > > _______________________________________________ > swinog mailing list > swinog(a)lists.swinog.ch > http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog >

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RE: [swinog] Cablecom blockages out of control
by Glogger Steven 08 Dec '05

08 Dec '05

> Fax? Actually, some nice person there gave me Christians phonenumber. > And you should update the number in the pdf/doc. The person > listed as "fax" definitly isn't, and definitly is not a > technical contact ;) well, unfortunately i cannot change this ;-) but i'm sure someone from this list is able to update those values ;-) -steven

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