Ccom helpdesk won’t help you, because they don’t even know what routing is… You need to send routing related things to peering@aorta.net

remarks: Peering Requests: peering@aorta.net

remarks: Routing Issues: peering@aorta.net

Freundliche Grüsse

Matias Meier

Online WebToolbox: www.webtoolbox.ch

Von: swinog-bounces@lists.swinog.ch [mailto:swinog-bounces@lists.swinog.ch] Im Auftrag von Stephan Wolf
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 26. September 2013 15:47
An: swinog
Betreff: Re: [swinog] Scenic route of the day: L3 towards UPC

I have seen things here similar to this very often / permanently:

cablecom to UK/NL often via level3 and washington instead going directly

may something to do with UPC and partnership with level3 - and the "Nonpartners" of level3.

"we do not peer with you" politics ?!

imho cogent vs level3

below a trace to system in london from cablecom home:

2     9 ms    17 ms     7 ms x.dclient.hispeed.ch [x]
3    10 ms    11 ms    10 ms 217-168-58-101.static.cablecom.ch [217.168.58.101]
4   111 ms   101 ms   101 ms 84.116.211.22
5   101 ms   183 ms   102 ms 84.116.204.225
6   102 ms   101 ms   101 ms 84-116-130-181.aorta.net [84.116.130.181]
7   102 ms   101 ms   101 ms 84.116.133.185
8   101 ms   101 ms   110 ms 84.116.134.62
9   110 ms   107 ms   158 ms te-4-1.car3.Washington1.Level3.net [4.79.168.201]
10     *      110 ms   117 ms ae-3-80.edge3.Washington4.Level3.net [4.69.149.146]
11   108 ms   107 ms   109 ms Cogent-level3-1x10G.washington.Level3.net [4.68.63.174]
12   149 ms   109 ms   109 ms be2113.mpd21.dca01.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.6.170]
13   111 ms   174 ms   107 ms te0-0-0-20.ccr21.jfk02.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.42.22]
14   180 ms   179 ms   191 ms te0-2-0-2.mpd22.lon13.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.42.54]
15   200 ms   179 ms   193 ms te0-7-0-30.ccr21.lon01.atlas.cogentco.com [130.117.0.117]
16   215 ms   232 ms   192 ms te2-1.ccr01.lon18.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.61.214]
17   190 ms   191 ms   183 ms 149.14.8.34
18   179 ms   179 ms   180 ms y

tried multiple times to escalate this in ccom helpdesk.

was silted there......

2013/9/26 Fredy Kuenzler <kuenzler@init7.net>

Anyone else seeing this... do we have a new peering spat or is it just a
random routing issue?

Regards,
Fredy

traceroute to 84.116.204.234 (84.116.204.234), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets
1 r1zlz1.core.init7.net (77.109.136.233) [AS13030] 23.682 ms 23.741
ms 23.775 ms
2 r1zrh1.core.init7.net (77.109.128.209) [AS13030] 0.188 ms
r1zrh2.core.init7.net (77.109.128.74) [AS13030] 0.199 ms
r1zrh1.core.init7.net (77.109.128.209) [AS13030] 0.193 ms
3 r1bas1.core.init7.net (77.109.128.130) [AS13030] 1.090 ms 1.129 ms
r1fra1.core.init7.net (77.109.128.250) [AS13030] 38.806 ms
4 r1fra2.core.init7.net (77.109.128.133) [AS13030] 5.997 ms 5.988 ms
6.016 ms
5 TenGigabitEthernet8-1.ar2.FRA4.gblx.net (64.213.54.33) [AS3549]
6.653 ms 6.134 ms 6.673 ms
6 ae7.edge2.SanJose3.level3.net (4.68.62.177) [AS3356] 153.420 ms
152.925 ms 153.399 ms
7 vlan70.csw2.SanJose1.Level3.net (4.69.152.126) [AS3356] 161.564 ms
vlan90.csw4.SanJose1.Level3.net (4.69.152.254) [AS3356] 161.054 ms
vlan70.csw2.SanJose1.Level3.net (4.69.152.126) [AS3356] 161.807 ms
8 ae-71-71.ebr1.SanJose1.Level3.net (4.69.153.5) [AS3356] 160.948 ms
ae-61-61.ebr1.SanJose1.Level3.net (4.69.153.1) [AS3356] 160.512 ms
160.433 ms
9 ae-2-2.ebr2.NewYork1.Level3.net (4.69.135.186) [AS3356] 161.355 ms
161.310 ms 161.509 ms
10 ae-47-47.ebr2.NewYork2.Level3.net (4.69.201.34) [AS3356] 161.949 ms
4.69.201.38 (4.69.201.38) [AS3356] 161.581 ms 161.724 ms
11 ae-1-100.ebr1.NewYork2.Level3.net (4.69.135.253) [AS3356] 162.124
ms 161.121 ms 161.658 ms
12 4.69.201.85 (4.69.201.85) [AS3356] 161.126 ms 4.69.201.93
(4.69.201.93) [AS3356] 161.524 ms 4.69.201.85 (4.69.201.85) [AS3356]
161.193 ms
13 ae-72-72.csw2.Washington1.Level3.net (4.69.134.150) [AS3356]
161.151 ms 161.558 ms ae-82-82.csw3.Washington1.Level3.net
(4.69.134.154) [AS3356] 161.627 ms
14 ae-33-80.car3.Washington1.Level3.net (4.69.149.133) [AS3356]
185.388 ms ae-43-90.car3.Washington1.Level3.net (4.69.149.197) [AS3356]
263.449 ms ae-23-70.car3.Washington1.Level3.net (4.69.149.69) [AS3356]
264.054 ms
15 UPC-BROADBA.car3.Washington1.Level3.net (4.79.168.202) [AS3356]
161.118 ms 161.109 ms 160.838 ms
16 84.116.134.61 (84.116.134.61) [AS6830] 167.752 ms 167.674 ms
159.751 ms
17 at-vie15a-ra1-xe-2-2-0.aorta.net (84.116.130.245) [AS6830] 160.584
ms 161.327 ms 84-116-130-62.aorta.net (84.116.130.62) [AS6830] 160.749 ms
18 hu-bud02a-ra3-xe-1-1-0.aorta.net (84.116.130.194) [AS6830] 161.284
ms 160.877 ms ch-zrh02a-ra1-xe-2-0-0.aorta.net (84.116.130.226)
[AS6830] 160.285 ms
19 84.116.204.234 (84.116.204.234) [AS6830] 160.346 ms 160.831 ms
160.272 ms

--
Fredy Kuenzler

Init7 (Switzerland) Ltd.
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